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  Dutch House of Representatives formally requests the government to start an investigation re. JW child abuse

  by Anders Andersen in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  today the dutch house of representatives unanimously voted to petition the government to start an investigation into jw child abuse issues.. the request from the house of reps. came after jw nl refused to listen to repeated and serious requests from the government to start an independent investigation themselves.. now it's up to the government to either accept the request by the house of reps. and start an investigation, or refuse to do so and explain to the house why.

  it appears the minister of justice is not unwilling to start an investigation though.... collection of dutch news items here.

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  Anders Andersen

  @Doubter,

  You keep looking at this investigation as if it is a criminal case in court. It is not.

  The government has seen ample evidence that makes them concerned enough to ask JW to investigate.

  If their were clear evidence of illegal activities JW NL would be dragged to court indeed.

  This investigation not about criminal activities.

  It is about trying to make sure that JW policies are adequate in supporting victims and preventing child abuse in the first place.

  The criminal part is for the DA's office.

  You eagerness to defend JW and I guess the "everyone is out to get JW" mind set stops you fro looking at this as a process in which JW NL can improve themselves.

  Do you think JW policies re. child abuse are somewhat flawed? Do you think JW can improve their policies and practices with help from non-JW experts?

  Or do you think JW abuse policies are perfect? Do you think other organizations can learn from how JW supports victims and protects children?

  If the answer to any of the above questions is yes, an independent investigation would help improve either JW or 'the world'.

  I don't know why anyone would be against that.
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  Dutch House of Representatives formally requests the government to start an investigation re. JW child abuse

  by Anders Andersen in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  today the dutch house of representatives unanimously voted to petition the government to start an investigation into jw child abuse issues.. the request from the house of reps. came after jw nl refused to listen to repeated and serious requests from the government to start an independent investigation themselves.. now it's up to the government to either accept the request by the house of reps. and start an investigation, or refuse to do so and explain to the house why.

  it appears the minister of justice is not unwilling to start an investigation though.... collection of dutch news items here.

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  Anders Andersen

  Now, correct me if I’m wrong, but I think it was Dekker who said that if WT has nothing to hide, they’d open their doors and do an independent investigation.

  He of all people knows that’s nonsense, and standards of evidence and burden of proof doesn’t work that way. He KNOWS this.
  

  Again, this whole case isn't a trial. It's an effort to make sure the JW organization has the proper knowledge, policies and practices to handle abuse cases in a way that's best for he victims.

  The investigation isn't meant to judge Watchower, but to help them improve where needed.

  And of course the minister of justice and his civil servants know this. They're quite prudent when it comes to not suggesting unlawful investigations.

  Therefore the fact that they did insist on JW starting an investigation should tell you that such an investigation would be lawful (just as it was with the Catholic Church, the sports community, etc.)

  If 300 people accused me of dealing illegal drugs because I am a doctor who

  writes prescriptions to sick people, that doesn’t mean I’m dealing illegal drugs.
  Therefore, I am under no legal or moral obligation to offer my patient files to a government.

  Nor do I have to submit to the requests of a government.

  Do you think Watchtower has a moral obligation to their members?

  Do you think Watchtower has a moral obligation to victims of child abuse whose case was handled by JW elders?

  Would you trust a day care facility that had multiple complaints from customers about how they treat children, but simply dismiss those complaints and refuse to provide any transparency?

  How would you view any other church that appears to have systemic child abuse issues in multiple countries, lost or settled dozens of court cases, has thousands of complaints re. abuse, but refuses to acknowledge even the possibility they may have a problem, and refuses to cooperate with the government on clearing up that issue?

  By the way the government wasn't simply requesting files: they wanted Watchtower to review their own policies and procedures and past abuse cases, in an independent and transparent fashion.

  
  
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  Dutch House of Representatives formally requests the government to start an investigation re. JW child abuse

  by Anders Andersen in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  today the dutch house of representatives unanimously voted to petition the government to start an investigation into jw child abuse issues.. the request from the house of reps. came after jw nl refused to listen to repeated and serious requests from the government to start an independent investigation themselves.. now it's up to the government to either accept the request by the house of reps. and start an investigation, or refuse to do so and explain to the house why.

  it appears the minister of justice is not unwilling to start an investigation though.... collection of dutch news items here.

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  @Doubter,

  Surely the Dutch government didn't insist JW start an investigation for no reason.

  The Dutch government isn't known for simply believing the first tabloid that writes a sensational story, and then base the government's official business on that.

  The government spoke with victims and reps. of victims. They looked at JW policies and manuals. The saw the ARC report. They concluded that all that information warranted a thorough investigation into JW abuse issues.

  Instead of coming up against JW, the government urged JW to do their own independent and transparent investigation.

  Not as a matter of criminal trial, but in an effort to help existing victims cope with their trauma, to improve internal policies, and to prevent further victims.

  JW simply refused.

  They refuse to acknowledge they may have a problem, and they refuse to transparantly investigate whether they have a problem or not.

  JW refuse to speak to victims collectively. They only want to speak to individual victims, making the victims powerless again (as it is always a single victims talking to 2 or 3 JW elders).

  JW dont want to cooperate with the government in insuring their child abuse policies and practices are up to current standards.

  Anyway, if the JW really don't have a problem with child abuse, the best way for them to show that was to cooperate with the government and start an independent investigation.

  If there is no issue, that investigation would have shown as much. JW would be in the clear, and the opposers could only shut up.

  But for some reason JW don't like transparency. I wonder why that is?

  The Catholic Church in The Netherlands handled their abuse issues a lot more gracefully.

  As for bad publicity: yes, I think Reclaimed Voices is maximizing publicity around this issue. But not simply to bash the JW. The goal is to create awareness and move the JW leadership to improve their handling on child abuse cases.

  Time will tell how Watchtower NL fares. So far they're losing the PR battle.

  Unfortunately they also haven't improved their policies around abuse issues much so far, and that is the main goal: making JW a bit safer for children, and the rest of the Netherlands a bit safer from known abusers.
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  Dutch House of Representatives formally requests the government to start an investigation re. JW child abuse

  by Anders Andersen in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  today the dutch house of representatives unanimously voted to petition the government to start an investigation into jw child abuse issues.. the request from the house of reps. came after jw nl refused to listen to repeated and serious requests from the government to start an independent investigation themselves.. now it's up to the government to either accept the request by the house of reps. and start an investigation, or refuse to do so and explain to the house why.

  it appears the minister of justice is not unwilling to start an investigation though.... collection of dutch news items here.

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  @LTPF,

  The formal request put before the government explicitly mentions that the investigation should include an analysis of the results of investigations into JW abuse issues that were conducted in other countries.

  They already know about the ARC and the UK Charity commission.

  But of course the Dutch government only has jurisdiction in The Netherlands...
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  Dutch House of Representatives formally requests the government to start an investigation re. JW child abuse

  by Anders Andersen in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  today the dutch house of representatives unanimously voted to petition the government to start an investigation into jw child abuse issues.. the request from the house of reps. came after jw nl refused to listen to repeated and serious requests from the government to start an independent investigation themselves.. now it's up to the government to either accept the request by the house of reps. and start an investigation, or refuse to do so and explain to the house why.

  it appears the minister of justice is not unwilling to start an investigation though.... collection of dutch news items here.

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  Anders Andersen

  Today the Dutch House of Representatives unanimously voted to petition the government to start an investigation into JW child abuse issues.

  The request from the House of Reps. came after JW NL refused to listen to repeated and serious requests from the government to start an independent investigation themselves.

  Now it's up to the government to either accept the request by the House of Reps. and start an investigation, or refuse to do so and explain to the House why. It appears the Minister of Justice is not unwilling to start an investigation though...

  Collection of Dutch news items here
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  News spot for JW convention - keep barf bags ready

  by days of future passed in

  1. social
  2. current

  i could barely stand listening to it.

  watching the jw pushers at the same time was too much.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgix-5pfwf4.

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  Anders Andersen

  Obesity kills more people than tobacco.

  So why is Bro. Whalebelly on TV instead of in the gym lest he be DFed?
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  Banners for London Protest

  by Farmer Jim1 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hi folks, i’m attending the london protest at the excel convention in august and am making some banners.

  i’m aiming for short but memorable sentences that will stick in jws minds and also make them laugh a little at their own organisation.. my best so far is ‘this is not a protest, it’s an overlapping protest’.

  has anyone got any ideas for more?.

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  Anders Andersen

  It's better to make people curious than confused...
  

  Try these on your banners:

  • Google "JW 4000"
    
  • Google "JW 1006"
  • Google "Case study 29"
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  Countries investigating WT child abuse.

  by zeb in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  list the countries here which investigating... australia with the arc and not "apostate lies" according the gb member jackson 2015.. uk with charities investigation.

  holland 2018 from their parliament.. .

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  Anders Andersen

  Norway is rumbling too
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  There is Important Dutch News: majority in Dutch Parliament require an investigation into child abuse within JWs

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  there is important dutch news: majority in dutch parliament require an investigation into child abuse within jwshttp://translate.google.com/translate?u=https://www.rtlnieuws.nl/nederland/politiek/tweede-kamer-eist-onafhankelijk-onderzoek-naar-misbruik-jehovahs-getuigen&hl=en&langpair=auto%7cen&tbb=1&ie=utf-8.

  the lower house requires independent investigation into abuse of jehovah's witnesses .

  june 28, 2018 18:56 .

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  Anders Andersen

  To clarify:

  A couple of Representatives have filed a motion that asks the Minister of Justice to conduct an investigation into JW abuse issues.

  Unofficially the motion appears to be supported by a majority, but the official vote will not be until later (next week Tuesday I think).

  Then it's up to the Minister of Justice to either accept or ignore the motion. Unofficially has has said 'not to be unwilling' to accept.
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  Olin Moyle

  by Vincent Law in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  olin moyle was a attorney for the wtbts during joseph rutherford reign.

  his papers from wtbts are still at princeton in the rare books section and boxed up.

  what is the likely hood that that there was political entanglement and that politics did not keep wtbts at arm's length but from time to time has used the wtbts for it's purposes.

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  Anders Andersen

  @aclue

  Moyle preached Judaism and was very much involved with the Zionist movement after leaving the Watchtower cult. So there's that connection.....